The sub

Posted by Michaelson from em12-686.utsi.edu on April 04, 1999 at 15:28:19:

In Reply to: Re: That is a problem posted by Mark Indy Szarkowski on April 04, 1999 at 14:55:14:

: The snorkel (schnorkel) wasn't fitted to U-boats until very late in WWII, certainly not to the early Type VII shown in the movie (I've always wondered how they pulled off such a good replica!) Considering all the other liberties taken in the three films though (flying wing, etc.) it doesn't seem too far fetched to imagine the Germans having invented this device prior to 1935. Indy could have tied himself to the snorkel, not the periscope. An extended periscope made the sub more detectible so scopes were down when submerged and only used sporadically to scan the horizon or during attack.

: In the scene when Indy climbs aboard the U-boat and everybody on Katanga's ship is cheering, it's clearly ready to submerge - as indicated by the absence of lookouts on the deck and conning tower. We see this confirmed later when one of the watch officers looks through one of the periscopes and sees the island, the scope was never used on the surface as you could see out from the bridge.

Just as an aside, the sub used in Raiders was the full scale sub mockup from the German film "Das Boot" (The Boat) that had just completed filming earlier that year. According to the "Making of Raiders" book, they were sweating bullets shooting this scene, as they had to tow the sub mockup out to open ocean and it couldn't handle very rough seas. Apparently the scene was shot at the absolute highest sea swells that the model could handle. Regards. Michaelson

Follow Ups:

Re: The sub Mark Indy Szarkowski 15:52:35 4/04/99 (7)
- The "Making of Raiders" paperback, a question for Walker.... Michaelson 09:56:25 4/05/99 (5)
  - Followup on the book.... Michaelson 13:06:39 4/07/99 (3)
    - Re: Followup on the book.... Dale Dassel 16:06:15 4/07/99 (2)
      - Re: Followup on the book.... Laurie Jensen 21:29:07 4/07/99 (1)
        
        How much??? Michaelson 07:38:06 4/08/99 (0)
  - Followup on the book.... Michaelson 13:06:38 4/07/99 (0)
- Re: The sub Abner 21:15:36 4/04/99 (0)

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: : The snorkel (schnorkel) wasn't fitted to U-boats until very late in WWII, certainly not to the early Type VII shown in the movie (I've always wondered how they pulled off such a good replica!)  Considering all the other liberties taken in the three films though (flying wing, etc.) it doesn't seem too far fetched to imagine the Germans having invented this device prior to 1935.  Indy could have tied himself to the snorkel, not the periscope.  An extended periscope made the sub more detectible so scopes were down when submerged and only used sporadically to scan the horizon or during attack.

: : In the scene when Indy climbs aboard the U-boat and everybody on Katanga's ship is cheering, it's clearly ready to submerge - as indicated by the absence of lookouts on the deck and conning tower.  We see this confirmed later when one of the watch officers looks through one of the periscopes and sees the island, the scope was never used on the surface as you could see out from the bridge.

: Just as an aside, the sub used in Raiders was the full scale sub mockup from the German film "Das Boot" (The Boat) that had just completed filming earlier that year. According to the "Making of Raiders" book, they were sweating bullets shooting this scene, as they had to tow the sub mockup out to open ocean and it couldn't handle very rough seas. Apparently the scene was shot at the absolute highest sea swells that the model could handle. Regards. Michaelson

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