Re: My visit to Jacket shop

Posted by Michaelson from em12_686.utsi.edu on April 21, 1998 at 13:16:46:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to Jacket shop posted by Bob on April 21, 1998 at 11:30:15:

:
: : : : Bob, very sorry to hear of your bad experience regarding the
: jacket. Being one the recent folks receiving a jacket here in the US,
: I understand your surprise concerning the "light weight" condition of
: the leather, but let's back up a second and look at this again. I
: understand there are many grades of leather out there. As I understand
: from reading and questioning folks around here in south central
: Tennessee, don't be fooled by the light weight material. We have two
: tanneries here in Tullahoma because Worth baseball factory is based
: here, as well as a large leather coat factory that make Navy G-2
: flight jackets as well as A2's under contract for the US government.
: Apparently, according to them, the "weight" doesn't denote the
: strength of the item. Goat skin and calf's skin (the material in the
: Raider's jacket) are listed as the densest animal "fiber" available
: for production of jacket or clothing material because of it's ability
: to withstand stress and abrasion. Kangaroo is listed as up there too
: in the exotic leathers (David Morgan's whips). Horsehide is next down
: (baseball/softball material), then good old cow skin, the tried and
: true "heavy weight" material, but least expensive of the lot. The
: calfskin used by Peter Botwright is the hightest quality part of the
: hide, and is used only in items that will experience extreme stress,
: and not tear or fray at seams. So while it is that tough, it also is
: light enough to be worn on a summer day without cooking you, as my
: regular cowskin A2 does. I hope this is helpful information. I t
: hought the same thing when I received a goatskin vest as a gift, and
: wondered if it would even last a month considering how light and soft
: it was. That was 4 long years ago, and believe me, it's as tough as
: nails. Incidentally, it is used as motorcycle leather material, too.
: If that ain't tough, nothing is! Regards. Michaelson

:
: : Allow me to further what Michaelson said. The leather is light and tough,
: : the proof itself is on film. The movies do the advertising for you.
: : I mean, the man gets dragged behind a diesel truck on a hot, rocky
: : desert road with his jacket zipped up. The proof is right there!!!
: : The jacket aside, the whole Indy outfit looks good, as well as being
: : completely functional. The light weight and comfort are the bonuses.
: : If you can make an item tough, as well as light, soft, and comfortable,
: : then you have an all-around great product. For me, my first impressions
: : of authentic Indy gear were those of sheer joy and awe. Just the fact
: : that these items are the REAL THING is worth the price you pay. But,
: : as mentioned before, they are fully functional as well- not cheaply-made
: : movie "props". This is the best there is, and they should last for many
: : years to come, with proper care. But, as well-built as they are, I
: : wouldn't try to test their limits- I mean, anything can break. Just
: : use them, enjoy them, take care of them and they will take care of you.

: : -Dale

: Hi again

: Thanks for all the advice regarding my visit to Wested. Having
: examined the jacket first hand I suppose my primary concern was
: the ability of this item to function as a piece of clothing for
: regular wear. Obviously the jacket was designed to fit the
: requirements of a principal actor and various stunt personel over
: the 3-4 month shoot of the movie. Additionally the production would
: require multiple jackets to cover costume changes etc. With this in
: mind my impresssion of the jacket was that this was a very nicely
: crafted movie prop (or part of costume), but was not a bona fide
: garment for the real world so to speak.

: Having listened with interest to your helpful replies I will revisit
: the store again and re-evaluate matters based on your comments. One
: thing that is perhaps worth mentioning is that the girl in the store
: (obviously noting my concerns as to the jackets construction) said
: that the jackets is also available (for same price)in hide.

: In a nutshell it wasn't what I was expecting and just didn't "look"
: as good as the item seen in theatres or on the small screen. I do
: appreciate your comments and I will look again.

: Regards

: Bob

: I really would, Bob. Granted, some of are "babes in the woods" with these new possessions, but there have been posts from people with 7 and 10 year real world use, and they make statements the reflect what we've written. They're very well made jackets, and will hold up. Regards. Michaelson
:

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: : : : : Bob, very sorry to hear of your bad experience regarding the 
: : jacket. Being one the recent folks receiving a jacket here in the US, 
: : I understand your surprise concerning the "light weight" condition of 
: : the leather, but let's back up a second and look at this again. I 
: : understand there are many grades of leather out there. As I understand 
: : from reading and questioning  folks around here in south central 
: : Tennessee, don't be fooled by the light weight material. We have two 
: : tanneries here in Tullahoma because Worth baseball factory is based 
: : here, as well as a large leather coat factory that make Navy G-2 
: : flight jackets as well as A2's under contract for the US government. 
: : Apparently, according to them, the "weight" doesn't denote the 
: : strength of the item. Goat skin and calf's skin (the material in the 
: : Raider's jacket) are listed as the densest animal "fiber" available 
: : for production of jacket or clothing material because of it's ability 
: : to withstand stress and abrasion. Kangaroo is listed as up there too 
: : in the exotic leathers (David Morgan's whips). Horsehide is next down 
: : (baseball/softball material), then good old cow skin, the tried and 
: : true "heavy weight" material, but least expensive of the lot. The 
: : calfskin used by Peter Botwright is the hightest quality part of the 
: : hide, and is used only in items that will experience extreme stress, 
: : and not tear or fray at seams. So while it is that tough, it also is 
: : light enough to be worn on a summer day without cooking you, as my 
: : regular cowskin A2 does. I hope this is helpful information. I t
: : hought the same thing when I received a goatskin vest as a gift, and 
: : wondered if it would even last a month considering how light and soft  
: : it was. That was 4 long years ago, and believe me, it's as tough as 
: : nails. Incidentally, it is used as motorcycle leather material, too. 
: : If that ain't tough, nothing is! Regards. Michaelson

: : 
: : :         Allow me to further what Michaelson said. The leather is light and tough,
: : : the proof itself is on film. The movies do the advertising for you.
: : : I mean, the man gets dragged behind a diesel truck on a hot, rocky
: : : desert road with his jacket zipped up. The proof is right there!!!
: : : The jacket aside, the whole Indy outfit looks good, as well as being
: : : completely functional. The light weight and comfort are the bonuses.
: : : If you can make an item tough, as well as light, soft, and comfortable,
: : : then you have an all-around great product. For me, my first impressions
: : : of authentic Indy gear were those of sheer joy and awe. Just the fact
: : : that these items are the REAL THING is worth the price you pay. But,
: : : as mentioned before, they are fully functional as well- not cheaply-made
: : : movie "props". This is the best there is, and they should last for many
: : : years to come, with proper care. But, as well-built as they are, I
: : : wouldn't try to test their limits- I mean, anything can break. Just
: : : use them, enjoy them, take care of them and they will take care of you.

: : :                                                -Dale

: : Hi again

: : Thanks for all the advice regarding my visit to Wested.  Having 
: : examined the jacket first hand I suppose my primary concern was 
: : the ability of this item to function as a piece of clothing for 
: : regular wear. Obviously the jacket was designed to fit the 
: : requirements of a principal actor and various stunt personel over 
: : the 3-4 month shoot of the movie.  Additionally the production would
: : require multiple jackets to cover costume changes etc.  With this in 
: : mind my impresssion of the jacket was that this was a very nicely 
: : crafted movie prop (or part of costume), but was not a bona fide 
: : garment for the real world so to speak.

: : Having listened with interest to your helpful replies I will revisit 
: : the store again and re-evaluate matters based on your comments.  One 
: : thing that is perhaps worth mentioning is that the girl in the store
: : (obviously noting my concerns as to the jackets construction) said 
: : that the jackets is also available (for same price)in hide.

: : In a nutshell it wasn't what I was expecting and just didn't "look" 
: : as good as the item seen in theatres or on the small screen.  I do 
: : appreciate your comments and I will look again.

: : Regards

: : Bob

: 
: : I really would, Bob. Granted, some of are "babes in the woods" with these new possessions, but there have been posts from people with 7 and 10 year real world use, and they make statements the reflect what we've written. They're very well made jackets, and will hold up. Regards. Michaelson
: :

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