Re: The Grail Loses it's powers??? NO

Posted by Micah from sallah.gsfc.nasa.gov on June 09, 1998 at 14:46:44:

In Reply to: Re: The Grail Loses it's powers??? NO posted by Michaelson on June 09, 1998 at 08:04:19:

: : There's no special connection between the powers of the grail and the seal. Moving past the grail doesn't "turn off" the grail. It maintains it's healing, life-giving properties forever. However, you must continually drink from the grail for it to effectively give you immortality. The seal is merely a trigger mechanism. Moving the grail beyond the great seal causes the whole place to come down around your ears. Now, no longer drinking from the grail, Henry Jones Jr. and Sr. will age normally.

: As we say in the academic business, site your source. I'd be interested. Regards. Michaelson

My only source is the movie and what I have deduced from the events portrayed in it:

The knight says: "...the Grail cannot pass beyond the Great Seal. That is the boundary and the price of immortality."

Given this statement, there isn't enough information to say what happens to the Grail when you try to cross the seal, only that the Grail cannot pass beyond it. You could theorize at that point that the grail disentigrates, vanishes in a puff of smoke, etc. You don't know the mechanism, only that it cannot pass the seal. By the events of the movie, as Elsa moves across the seal, things start shaking. Whether the trigger was supernatural or mechanical, the grail over the seal clearly started the earthquake.

By the story of the other knights who died of extreme old age, we know that you are not stuck in the cave, it is the grail that cannot leave. The "price" of immortality is that you must remain in the cave with the grail. Given the nature of the grail's power, it's natural to assume this means drinking from it with some frequency. I suppose an argument could be made that you simply have to be in the grail's presence to remain immortal after the first drink, but every indication is that the grail's power divined through water.

--Micah

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: : : There's no special connection between the powers of the grail and the seal.  Moving past the grail doesn't "turn off" the grail.  It maintains it's healing, life-giving properties forever.  However, you must continually drink from the grail for it to effectively give you immortality.  The seal is merely a trigger mechanism.  Moving the grail beyond the great seal causes the whole place to come down around your ears.  Now, no longer drinking from the grail, Henry Jones Jr. and Sr. will age normally.

: : As we say in the academic business, site your source. I'd be interested. Regards. Michaelson

: My only source is the movie and what I have deduced from the events portrayed in it:

: The knight says: "...the Grail cannot pass beyond the Great Seal.  That is the boundary and the price of immortality."

: Given this statement, there isn't enough information to say what happens to the Grail when you try to cross the seal, only that the Grail <b>cannot</b> pass beyond it.  You could theorize at that point that the grail disentigrates, vanishes in a puff of smoke, etc.  You don't know the mechanism, only that it <b>cannot</b> pass the seal.  By the events of the movie, as Elsa moves across the seal, things start shaking.  Whether the trigger was supernatural or mechanical, the grail over the seal clearly started the earthquake.

: By the story of the other knights who died of extreme old age, we know that you are not stuck in the cave, it is the grail that cannot leave.  The "price" of immortality is that you must remain in the cave with the grail. Given the nature of the grail's power, it's natural to assume this means drinking from it with some frequency.  I suppose an argument could be made that you simply have to be in the grail's presence to remain immortal after the first drink, but every indication is that the grail's power divined through water.

: --Micah

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