Re: My reaction...to your reaction to mine...

Posted by GCR from spider-wo053.proxy.aol.com on December 18, 1999 at 10:32:26:

In Reply to: Re: My reaction... posted by Ultraman Tiga on December 18, 1999 at 03:11:13:

: : : Lastly, in LC, Indy is more fixed, if not perfect. He has gone back to the "museum" theory, lives comfortably as a college proffessor, and is more laid back and prone to think before sending his fists into action. What tamed him? Hopefully, a PART 4 might answer that question.

: : I'd have to say I don't think Indy was 'fixed' in crusade, I think he always had the 'museum' theory with him, and that his scoundrel qualities are kinda lost by being with his Dad, but they are still there. If Crusade didn't have Connery in it, or the character he played, Indy would have been the same Indy as in the other two.

: No. Until his father was kidnapped, Indy pretty much despised the man (see "Winds of Change" or "Travels With Father" for that set-up). If Indy was the same as in Raiders and ToD, his priority would have been the grail first. He was still tempted, that's why he bothered with the knight's tomb (plus it was convenient). That was the point of Last Crusade, without needing any setup from a "Young Indy' series. Even when he did find his father, they pretty much despised each other! It wasn't until after they had adventured with each other that things became cool. Are you sure you understood this movie right?

Yes, trust me, I understood the movie just fine. But are you sure you understood my post? I said if Indy's father WERE NOT involved with the plot of the second movie, then the Indy character would have been the same as in the first two movies. The character changes due to the presence of the father figure, I am aware of that. And I am also aware of the differences in Indy's techinque due to the fact his father has been kidnapped, and am also very aware of the situation(s) that caused the falling out between them. I wasn't saying that Indy was the same in this movie, only that he would have been. The whole father thing added that twist and showed us a new side of his character, while other traits were less prominent due to the circumstances. I simply think this: Indy was pretty much the same character as in the other two movies, and although he was in a sort of dispute with his father, he still cared about him to a point, thus the reason he went looking for him in the first place. His father's kiddnapping gave Indy a new sense of urgency at wanting to make things right with his Dad, and his stubborness was temporarily forgotten, until, of course, his father was found...that's when the bickering started. As much as Indy despised his father, I believe he still harbored some sort of compassion for the man, as I'm sure his father did for him, they were both just to damn stubborn!
-GCR

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Re: My reaction...to your reaction to mine...and now mine to yours to mine to yours Ultraman Tiga 02:40:33 12/19/99 (1)
- Alright...I can see your point.(NM) GCR 18:24:59 12/19/99 (0)

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: : : : Lastly, in LC, Indy is more fixed, if not perfect.  He has gone back to the "museum" theory, lives comfortably as a college proffessor, and is more laid back and prone to think before sending his fists into action.  What tamed him?  Hopefully, a PART 4 might answer that question.

: : : I'd have to say I don't think Indy was 'fixed' in crusade, I think he always had the 'museum' theory with him, and that his scoundrel qualities are kinda lost by being with his Dad, but they are still there. If Crusade didn't have Connery in it, or the character he played, Indy would have been the same Indy as in the other two.

: : No.  Until his father was kidnapped, Indy pretty much despised the man (see "Winds of Change" or "Travels With Father" for that set-up).  If Indy was the same as in Raiders and ToD, his priority would have been the grail first.  He was still tempted, that's why he bothered with the knight's tomb (plus it was convenient).  That was the point of Last Crusade, without needing any setup from a "Young Indy' series.  Even when he did find his father, they pretty much despised each other!  It wasn't until after they had adventured with each other that things became cool.  Are you sure you understood this movie right?

: Yes, trust me, I understood the movie just fine. But are you sure you understood my post? I said if Indy's father WERE NOT involved with the plot of the second movie, then the Indy character would have been the same as in the first two movies. The character changes due to the presence of the father figure, I am aware of that. And I am also aware of the differences in Indy's techinque due to the fact his father has been kidnapped, and am also very aware of the situation(s) that caused the falling out between them. I wasn't saying that Indy was the same in this movie, only that he would have been. The whole father thing added that twist and showed us a new side of his character, while other traits were less prominent due to the circumstances. I simply think this: Indy was pretty much the same character as in the other two movies, and although he was in a sort of dispute with his father, he still cared about him to a point, thus the reason he went looking for him in the first place. His father's kiddnapping gave Indy a new sense of urgency at wanting to make things right with his Dad, and his stubborness was temporarily forgotten, until, of course, his father was found...that's when the bickering started. As much as Indy despised his father, I believe he still harbored some sort of compassion for the man, as I'm sure his father did for him, they were both just to damn stubborn!
: -GCR

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