The Best Part

Posted by Brian K. from kbowen.xyplex.com on May 07, 2000 at 17:58:47:

In Reply to: Indiana Jones posted by K. Allard on May 07, 2000 at 14:57:16:

In my mind, the best part about that conversation, and that viewpoint of Indy, is that ultimately it wasn't only Indy that learned something, but his father. In LC, at the very end, Indy asks his father "what did you find, Dad?"....his response, "Me?...Illumination." Obviously a reference to the beginning of the movie where he is copying the drawing into his diary (may he who illuminated this, illuminate me) but I think in a deeper level it signifies that Dad finally has come to know his son, a boy/man who left "just when you were becoming interesting." They had spent years harboring a teenagish tension between them, and now each not only got to KNOW each other, but they UNDERSTAND one another in a way neither ever thought possible. When they're on the motorcycle, deciding whether or not to go to Berlin to get the diary, Indy says "...it's an obsession, Dad! I never understood it...." By the end of the movie we see that he now does understand, and it's that understanding that saves him from Elsa's fate at the bottom of the chasm. The quest, or more properly, the trials that they face to get to the final 3 challenges, was ultimately more important on a personal level than really finding the grail. That's ultimately why Indy and his father, a man who searched for the grail his entire professional life, was able to let go of the cup so easily. Elsa's prize at the end of the movie was the cup. The Jones's prize was each other. Taken as a whole, the trilogy I really see as a wonderful story of redemption for Indy.

Regards,
Brian K.

: Ok we all know that the Indy character came from different things.... mostly the old adventure seriels from the 1930's. First the whip came from an old Zorro film. Second the dea came from that film thats been discussed here alot (what was it). Third as I recently heard fromm micah (read my post about Doc Savage) that he too was another thing that molded the character. I was wondering how this came from so after finding a site with a bunch of stories about the man of bronze I came to find that he was an arcaeolgist adventurer and american war "hero". I think that was just a little interestting. Also one more thing... a few months ago me and BrianK were chatting and were talking about the "fortune and glory" to "it belongs in a museum". Well our idea was that as we saw in the beginning of LC Indy does have the "It belongs in a museum" but we realize rather than taking on from a good man like his father he takes after a bit of a graverobber "Fedora" "you lost today kid but ya dont have ta like it", so sometime in his life he is the rutheless grave robber we saw in TOD and we see he isnt the greatest person "fortune and glory kid... fortune and glory" then after he goes through TOD and begins to become a better man and turns to "aw it'll just be another rock collecting dust" in Rotla we see he's still a grave robber but at least he isnt going after Fortune and Glory as much "And the ark goes to the museum after theyre finished" and then in LC he finally begins to take a turn "It belongs in a museum" and he reunites with his father. There is my idea about indy's personality and personally I like the way he changed from "fortune and glory" to "it belongs in a museum" it shows he's only human. So please go ahead and post your thoughts on the matter......

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: In my mind, the best part about that conversation, and that viewpoint of Indy, is that ultimately it wasn't only Indy that learned something, but his father.  In LC, at the very end, Indy asks his father "what did you find, Dad?"....his response, "Me?...Illumination."  Obviously a reference to the beginning of the movie where he is copying the drawing into his diary (may he who illuminated this, illuminate me) but I think in a deeper level it signifies that Dad finally has come to know his son, a boy/man who left "just when you were becoming interesting."  They had spent years harboring a teenagish tension between them, and now each not only got to KNOW each other, but they UNDERSTAND one another in a way neither ever thought possible.  When they're on the motorcycle, deciding whether or not to go to Berlin to get the diary, Indy says "...it's an obsession, Dad! I never understood it...."  By the end of the movie we see that he now does understand, and it's that understanding that saves him from Elsa's fate at the bottom of the chasm.  The quest, or more properly, the trials that they face to get to the final 3 challenges, was ultimately more important on a personal level than really finding the grail.  That's ultimately why Indy and his father, a man who searched for the grail his entire professional life, was able to let go of the cup so easily.  Elsa's prize at the end of the movie was the cup.  The Jones's prize was each other.  Taken as a whole, the trilogy I really see as a wonderful story of redemption for Indy.

: Regards, 
: Brian K.

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: : Ok we all know that the Indy character came from different things.... mostly the old adventure seriels from the 1930's. First the whip came from an old Zorro film. Second the dea came from that film thats been discussed here alot (what was it). Third as I recently heard fromm micah (read my post about Doc Savage) that he too was another thing that molded the character. I was wondering how this came from so after finding a site with a bunch of stories about the man of bronze I came to find that he was an arcaeolgist adventurer and american war "hero". I think that was just a little interestting. Also one more thing... a few months ago me and BrianK were chatting and were talking about the "fortune and glory" to "it belongs in a museum". Well our idea was that as we saw in the beginning of LC Indy does have the "It belongs in a museum" but we realize rather than taking on from a good man like his father he takes after a bit of a graverobber "Fedora" "you lost today kid but ya dont have ta like it", so sometime in his life he is the rutheless grave robber we saw in TOD and we see he isnt the greatest person "fortune and glory kid... fortune and glory" then after he goes through TOD and begins to become a better man and turns to "aw it'll just be another rock collecting dust" in Rotla we see he's still a grave robber but at least he isnt going after Fortune and Glory as much "And the ark goes to the museum after theyre finished" and then in LC he finally begins to take a turn "It belongs in a museum" and he reunites with his father. There is my idea about indy's personality and personally I like the way he changed from "fortune and glory" to "it belongs in a museum" it shows he's only human. So please go ahead and post your thoughts on the matter......

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