"Neglected to exclude" is double negatives...

Posted by the Fiddler from 216.126.204.25 on August 07, 2000 at 11:02:56:

In Reply to: I can't believe it! You jacket lovers have sucked me in to your wicked, evil game! Um, and now I need your help... posted by Aaron on August 07, 2000 at 02:31:59:

Meaning you are asking everyone what you have included, because you didn't (neglected) exclude it. Which means you must have included it.

I don't mean to be rude or picky it's just a very common mistake in today's english. I'm no grammar guru, it's just that's a pretty obvious mistake if you think about it even a little. (I won't comment on the jacket, I'm not... well whatever it was you called the hard-core collectors)

--the Fiddler

: THOSE SHORT ON TIME CAN SKIP TO THE NEXT ALL-CAPS SENTENCE--THIS NEXT PART IS JUST MINDLESS BABBLE ANYWAY. THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF THIS, SKIP TO THE LAST ALL-CAPS SENTENCE.

: I must admit, I've always thought of "true Indy gear collectors" as a bit too anal and obsessed to be truly human. I found I could only stomach the great debate over fedoras from a very far distance on this forum. Talk of d-rings and outside flaps has always encouraged me to speed up my scrolling just that much more. Okay, I'll come out and say it: I've laughed out loud at some of the retentive absurdity of these debates.

: But that was the old me.

: Forgive me, oh pioneers of this art, I have only now discovered just how much fun being "anal retentive" can be. Well, okay, I still don't care that much about d-rings. But now that I have a bit of cash and a sudden unexplained interest in Indy's jacket,

: I'VE CONVINCED MYSELF TO MAKE THE WESTED JUMP.

: Hours of web-cruising have soaked my brain with [what I believe to be] all the information I need--with many thanks to this forum and the folks at indygear.com, and of course Wested's site. I think I have all my specs determined, but I need your help, collectors.

: If I were to order a jacket, I would send a letter similar to the following. If you would be so kind, please tell me what information I have neglected to exclude. Basically, what else do I need to be completely and utterly thorough? Okay, here goes [any portions appearing in brackets "[]" are just my questions and comments to you guys]:

: ------
: Hello and cheers...[the other basic pleasentries will be omitted from this particular "mock message"]

: I would like to order a Raiders style jacket. I want a new lambskin finish jacket with a cotton lining. If possible, I would prefer it if you could substitute the inside cotton facing of the collar with leather, as well as the inside of the zipper. [Is this extra charge?]

: My measurements are:

: Sleeve: 27"
: Shoulder-to-Shoulder: 16"
: Chest: 37"
: Height: 72 1/2"

: Thanks much, I've included payment, yada yada yada, so on and so forth, bla bla bla. [This part may change a bit in the final version :) ]

: Aaron J. Radatz
: [email address]
: [home phone]
: [full shipping address]
: ------

: Well, that's it. I know that jacket size should be included, but I currently do not know mine. Is it worth it to take an extra trip into town and try on a few to determine my basic size?

: Also, I did not specify regular or long because I do not know what looks best on a gentleman of my height [as if anything looks good on me]. But, as you can see, I include my height so that the experienced boys at Wested could determine that for me--unless somebody here knows?

: Also, my shoulder-to-shoulder measurement was taken straight across from the top of each shoulder [at it's "peak"]. Should this instead be taken from the outside-most portions of the shoulder? And, as I mentioned it was taken STRAIGHT across. I was unsure if instead I should let the tape follow the slight slope of my shoulder blades [resulting in about an inch longer measurement].

: My sleeve measurement was taken from the outside/top of my shoulder down to my first thumb knuckle [the one that meets the base of my hand].

: The measurements are all pretty exact, and I'm not looking for another layer of skin in this jacket--I want it to be a close fit but certainly loose enough to provide for a full range of movement. Do I exaggerate my measurements, will they do that anyway, or should I just say "I want a close, but still relaxed fit," or something to that effect?

: As I asked in the message, does a leather inside collar and zipper facing [as opposed to cotton] cost any extra?

: Well, you've just suffered a long-winded post [no matter how little of it you read] that asks--no, whines--for help, and offers no rewards [other than many, many thanks] to those who reply to it. Feel cheated? I don't blame you. But if you're kindly, helpful, and well, just plain godly enough to post a helpful reply, I thank you in advance [more will follow].

: Aaron

: HERE IS THAT LAST ALL-CAPS SENTENCE. IF YOU SKIPPED HERE FROM THE BEGINNING, IT MEANS YOU SAVED YOURSELF A LOT OF UNNECESSARY PAIN. GOOD WORK.

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Forgive me Fiddler, I meant to type "neglected to include." I also meant to title this piece "...have sucked me INTO..." as opposed to the "in to" that I mistakenly typed. See this is what I mean! Anal! :) Aaron 23:02:34 8/07/2000 (1)
- Umm, also, I think you meant to type "'Neglected to exclude' is A double negative," or at least, "ARE double negatives." Not that we're picky...am I right? Sheesh! [as the above message, "NP"] Aaron 23:06:47 8/07/2000 (0)

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: Meaning you are asking everyone what you have included, because you didn't (neglected) exclude it.  Which means you must have included it.

: I don't mean to be rude or picky it's just a very common mistake in today's english.  I'm no grammar guru, it's just that's a pretty obvious mistake if you think about it even a little.  (I won't comment on the jacket, I'm not... well whatever it was you called the hard-core collectors)

: --the Fiddler

: 
: : THOSE SHORT ON TIME CAN SKIP TO THE NEXT ALL-CAPS SENTENCE--THIS NEXT PART IS JUST MINDLESS BABBLE ANYWAY.  THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF THIS, SKIP TO THE LAST ALL-CAPS SENTENCE.

: : I must admit, I've always thought of "true Indy gear collectors" as a bit too anal and obsessed to be truly human.  I found I could only stomach the great debate over fedoras from a very far distance on this forum.  Talk of d-rings and outside flaps has always encouraged me to speed up my scrolling just that much more.  Okay, I'll come out and say it: I've laughed out loud at some of the retentive absurdity of these debates.

: : But that was the old me.

: : Forgive me, oh pioneers of this art, I have only now discovered just how much fun being "anal retentive" can be.  Well, okay, I still don't care that much about d-rings.  But now that I have a bit of cash and a sudden unexplained interest in Indy's jacket,

: : I'VE CONVINCED MYSELF TO MAKE THE WESTED JUMP.

: : Hours of web-cruising have soaked my brain with [what I believe to be] all the information I need--with many thanks to this forum and the folks at indygear.com, and of course Wested's site.  I think I have all my specs determined, but I need your help, collectors.

: : If I were to order a jacket, I would send a letter similar to the following.  If you would be so kind, please tell me what information I have neglected to exclude.  Basically, what else do I need to be completely and utterly thorough?  Okay, here goes [any portions appearing in brackets "[]" are just my questions and comments to you guys]:

: : ------
: : Hello and cheers...[the other basic pleasentries will be omitted from this particular "mock message"]

: : I would like to order a Raiders style jacket.  I want a new lambskin finish jacket with a cotton lining.  If possible, I would prefer it if you could substitute the inside cotton facing of the collar with leather, as well as the inside of the zipper.  [Is this extra charge?]

: : My measurements are:

: : Sleeve: 27"
: : Shoulder-to-Shoulder: 16"
: : Chest: 37"
: : Height: 72 1/2"

: : Thanks much, I've included payment, yada yada yada, so on and so forth, bla bla bla.  [This part may change a bit in the final version :) ]

: : Aaron J. Radatz
: : [email address]
: : [home phone]
: : [full shipping address]
: : ------

: : Well, that's it.  I know that jacket size should be included, but I currently do not know mine.  Is it worth it to take an extra trip into town and try on a few to determine my basic size?

: : Also, I did not specify regular or long because I do not know what looks best on a gentleman of my height [as if anything looks good on me].  But, as you can see, I include my height so that the experienced boys at Wested could determine that for me--unless somebody here knows?

: : Also, my shoulder-to-shoulder measurement was taken straight across from the top of each shoulder [at it's "peak"].  Should this instead be taken from the outside-most portions of the shoulder?  And, as I mentioned it was taken STRAIGHT across.  I was unsure if instead I should let the tape follow the slight slope of my shoulder blades [resulting in about an inch longer measurement].

: : My sleeve measurement was taken from the outside/top of my shoulder down to my first thumb knuckle [the one that meets the base of my hand].

: : The measurements are all pretty exact, and I'm not looking for another layer of skin in this jacket--I want it to be a close fit but certainly loose enough to provide for a full range of movement.  Do I exaggerate my measurements, will they do that anyway, or should I just say "I want a close, but still relaxed fit," or something to that effect?

: : As I asked in the message, does a leather inside collar and zipper facing [as opposed to cotton] cost any extra?

: : Well, you've just suffered a long-winded post [no matter how little of it you read] that asks--no, whines--for help, and offers no rewards [other than many, many thanks] to those who reply to it.  Feel cheated?  I don't blame you.  But if you're kindly, helpful, and well, just plain godly enough to post a helpful reply, I thank you in advance [more will follow].

: : Aaron

: : HERE IS THAT LAST ALL-CAPS SENTENCE.  IF YOU SKIPPED HERE FROM THE BEGINNING, IT MEANS YOU SAVED YOURSELF A LOT OF UNNECESSARY PAIN.  GOOD WORK.

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