Just a quick follow up

Posted by Michaelson from leospace047.utsi.edu on October 13, 2000 at 10:39:11:

In Reply to: Re: Yes and no. a good response.... posted by Indy Fan 0481208402 on October 11, 2000 at 20:10:05:

Using your Jack Ryan example, Ford was not the first to play the character, one of the Baldwin brothers did. I actually liked him in the part better than Ford, but that's just my opinion. Excellent points above on the fictional characters "vs" literary characters. I hadn't thought of that angle. Something to ponder. Finally, if you are up in the middle of the night with absolutely NOTHING to do, and can't sleep, go back into the past dusty vaults here at Indyfan and do some reading. I was preaching the word regarding your last arguments well over a year or more ago. You and I are in TOTAL agreement there, by friend, but I'm afraid we're in the minority. That's why I dropped the entire discussion then. Great discussion. More food for thought. Regards. Michaelson

: If your making a film/tv series, etc. that takes place prior or after
: the Indy years (as we know them) using R. Phoenix, and whom ever else you decide,
: that's fine. Look at the Jack Ryan character. Good Character...although
: Ford didn't (and won't continue to) create the character...but to
: fix that problem..Hunt took place early in Ryan's years..and the new one
: with Affleck?, will take place early as well. That's the only exception
: to the rule..I feel anyhow...but then again,

: Why do we continue to press for explanation..as in...why must we know
: the background of Abner...Marion......Sallah....even Brody...Is nothing sacred?
: Are we that caught up in an information/voyueristic age that we must
: know everything? Why can't you just conform your own reasons? Must
: it be displayed in front of you? Write the books (and there are
: some good and horrible ones out there.) draw the comic books....
: Create fan stories...but why make a film with new people telling stories
: that don't need to be told.... I hope in 20 years we aren't having
: discussions on "we need to actually SEE the dinosaurs being made instead
: of just having them there in Jurassic Park" or we need to "SEE Jaw's motivation
: for killing hapless swimmers...we need to see Jaws childhood trama with
: a boat." Grant it, not all Indy stories evolve around relationships and such,
: but one other thing that kept Indy apart from the rest was his ability
: to save the world and go undetected. Keep adding story after story
: and eventually it'll be Indiana Jones saves the world. At this point
: in the characters career, he's known in his field just enough to be
: considered really good...but not enough to draw huge amounts of outside interest.

: That's a totally seperate argument though that'll probably bring an
: onslaught of replies from folks who don't realize you don't know
: how good something is, until you screw it up.

: Indy Fan 23804213804231

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: Using your Jack Ryan example, Ford was not the first to play the character, one of the Baldwin brothers did. I actually liked him in the part better than Ford, but that's just my opinion. Excellent points above on the fictional characters "vs" literary characters. I hadn't thought of that angle. Something to ponder. Finally, if you are up in the middle of the night with absolutely NOTHING to do, and can't sleep, go back into the past dusty vaults here at Indyfan and do some reading. I was preaching the word regarding your last arguments well over a year or more ago. You and I are in TOTAL agreement there, by friend, but I'm afraid we're in the minority. That's why I dropped the entire discussion then. Great discussion. More food for thought. Regards. Michaelson

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: : If your making a film/tv series, etc. that takes place prior or after 
: : the Indy years (as we know them) using R. Phoenix, and whom ever else you decide,
: : that's fine.  Look at the Jack Ryan character.  Good Character...although
: : Ford didn't (and won't continue to) create the character...but to
: : fix that problem..Hunt took place early in Ryan's years..and the new one
: : with Affleck?, will take place early as well.  That's the only exception
: : to the rule..I feel anyhow...but then again,

: : Why do we continue to press for explanation..as in...why must we know
: : the background of Abner...Marion......Sallah....even Brody...Is nothing sacred?
: : Are we that caught up in an information/voyueristic age that we must
: : know everything?  Why can't you just conform your own reasons?  Must
: : it be displayed in front of you?  Write the books (and there are 
: : some good and horrible ones out there.) draw the comic books....
: : Create fan stories...but why make a film with new people telling stories
: : that don't need to be told....  I hope in 20 years we aren't having
: : discussions on "we need to actually SEE the dinosaurs being made instead
: : of just having them there in Jurassic Park"  or we need to "SEE Jaw's motivation
: : for killing hapless swimmers...we need to see Jaws childhood trama with
: : a boat."    Grant it, not all Indy stories evolve around relationships and such,
: : but one other thing that kept Indy apart from the rest was his ability
: : to save the world and go undetected.  Keep adding story after story
: : and eventually it'll be Indiana Jones saves the world.  At this point
: : in the characters career, he's known in his field just enough to be
: : considered really good...but not enough to draw huge amounts of outside interest.

: : That's a totally seperate argument though that'll probably bring an
: : onslaught of replies from folks who don't realize you don't know
: : how good something is, until you screw it up.

: : Indy Fan 23804213804231

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