Re: I thought the qualifier for grosgrain or petersham was the vertical ribs...

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Posted by Greg from kenn001a-p2-039.cybertours.com on January 16, 2001 at 23:37:22:

In Reply to: I thought the qualifier for grosgrain or petersham was the vertical ribs... posted by Dakota Ellison on January 15, 2001 at 16:51:36:

: : Here is the scoop on Petersham ribbon. What we are seeing in Raiders
: : was grosgrain ribbon, as it is seamed or has a bound edge. What we
: : see in half of the LC is grosgrain as it had a bound edge. What we
: : see on the Smithsonian hat is grosgrain as it has a bound edge. What
: : we see on some of the LC and all of the ToD photos have an unbound
: : edge (sawtooth) and is therefore referred to as Petersham ribbon or
: : Millinery belting. It is indeed used as a facing material inside the
: : hems and waists of women's skirts, and was often used in hat making
: : because without the bound edge, the ribbon easily forms a nice curve
: : to fit around the crown of a hat, which is invariably conical rather
: : than cylindrical unless we're talking about a top hat or a pork pie.
: : Grosgrain needs to be ironed into a slight curve in order to wrap
: : around the hat and fit snug against the crown. If you just wrap it
: : around the crown, it will be loose toward the top. I don't know if
: : this makes sense. I will see if I can scan some of the different
: : ribbon to show you all...I don't have a scanner so I will have to do
: : it at work. I'll also try to scan some photos of Indy's hats to
: : demonstrate the difference actually occured throughout ToD and LC.
: : Take a look at ToD photos closely. All of the hats in that film had
: : the Petersham ribbon. Take a look at the tank chase scenes from LC.
: : That hat has the Petersham ribbon. Not sure why the differe

: Which I don't see in the "Raiders" close-ups. It looks woven, bound, but without the vertical ribbing. Talk to Judith M designs; they are pretty up on petersham and grosgrain.
: Cheers,
: Dakota




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