Re: correction..

Posted by Dakota Ellison from ckcfpxy1.att.com on April 25, 2001 at 13:24:37:

In Reply to: correction.. posted by Indy Sean on April 25, 2001 at 12:31:20:

: the only visual difference i HAVE seen between gros grain and petersham is the edge of the ribbon, where in some it is bound and some it isn't. Are you saying Petersham is smooth, or just that it has no horizontal ribs; because I've never seen ANY ribbon with horizontal ribbing, only vertical.

: p.s. if the Raiders ribbon is neither Petersham or grosgrain, what is it? I've never seen the Raiders ribbon close up so I don't know if it's bound or if it has ribbing, although I heard that all 3 films had ribbed ribbon, whereas ROTLA had no bound edge, and TOD and LC did have the bound edge. If Petersham has no ribs, why did HJ tell me the ribbon on my hat was Peterham? It has ribs AND a bound edge...
: : : -IS

: : : : Would you give me the link to your pics on the ribbon comparison? I am getting into ribbons now,and I know you have researched this subject. I read at a millinery website today, that there is no difference between grosgrain and petersham. They maintained that it was just different terminology for the same product. The Brits call it petersham, while the Americans call it grosgrain. Any thoughts? Thanks, Fedora

: : but, I've heard Petersham called "the original grosgain". Look at closeups of Ford in LC and TOD. It's that same scallop edged Petersham ribbon. The Raiders ribbon is not Petersham or grosgain in my opinion.
: : Cheers,
: : Dakota
: :

Here's a quote from the FAQ section of IndyGear:

"The ribbon on the hat was NOT a Petersham. Noel (Howard) told me that the Petersham looks very much like it but the original ribbon was not a petersham and that version is not for sale anymore. He doesn't know what it was but it was neither Petersham or Grosgrain." Kenneth

I meant the bound edge, not horizontal ribs. Yes, the petersham on the TOD and LC hats has vertical ribbing. All I can tell from the closeups in Raiders is the ribbon has a bound edge, but no vertical ribbing, unless the ribbing is so fine that it's not discernible.
If petersham can have a bound edge then perhaps the only difference is the quality of the fabric. Petersham=cotton (at least partially)
Grosgain=synthetic? I recall Greg did quite a disertation on this subject. Maybe he'll jump in here. Or Kenneth, who made the above statement.
Cheers,
Dakota

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beats me..Greg or other ribbon expert, PLEASE CLARIFY! Indy Sean 14:15:22 4/25/2001 (2)
- Re: beats me..Greg or other ribbon expert, PLEASE CLARIFY! Dakota Ellison 14:59:03 4/25/2001 (1)
  - whoops! mixed them up! look forward to the pics! (nm) Indy Sean 15:05:55 4/25/2001 (0)

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: : the only visual difference i HAVE seen between gros grain and petersham is the edge of the ribbon, where in some it is bound and some it isn't. Are you saying Petersham is smooth, or just that it has no horizontal ribs; because I've never seen ANY ribbon with horizontal ribbing, only vertical.

: : p.s. if the Raiders ribbon is neither Petersham or grosgrain, what is it? I've never seen the Raiders ribbon close up so I don't know if it's bound or if it has ribbing, although I heard that all 3 films had ribbed ribbon, whereas ROTLA had no bound edge, and TOD and LC did have the bound edge. If Petersham has no ribs, why did HJ tell me the ribbon on my hat was Peterham? It has ribs AND a bound edge...
: : : : -IS

: : : : : Would you give me the link to your pics on the ribbon comparison? I am getting into ribbons now,and I know you have researched this subject. I read at a millinery website today, that there is no difference between grosgrain and petersham. They maintained that it was just different terminology for the same product. The Brits call it petersham, while the Americans call it grosgrain. Any thoughts? Thanks, Fedora

: : : but, I've heard Petersham called "the original grosgain". Look at closeups of Ford in LC and TOD. It's that same scallop edged Petersham ribbon. The Raiders ribbon is not Petersham or grosgain in my opinion.
: : : Cheers,
: : : Dakota
: : :

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: Here's a quote from the FAQ section of IndyGear:

: "The ribbon on the hat was NOT a Petersham. Noel (Howard) told me that the Petersham looks very much like it but the original ribbon was not a petersham and that version is not for sale anymore. He doesn't know what it was but it was neither Petersham or Grosgrain."  Kenneth

: I meant the bound edge, not horizontal ribs. Yes, the petersham on the TOD and LC hats has vertical ribbing. All I can tell from the closeups in Raiders is the ribbon has a bound edge, but no vertical ribbing, unless the ribbing is so fine that it's not discernible.
: If petersham can have a bound edge then perhaps the only difference is the quality of the fabric. Petersham=cotton (at least partially)
: Grosgain=synthetic? I recall Greg did quite a disertation on this subject. Maybe he'll jump in here. Or Kenneth, who made the above statement.
: Cheers,
: Dakota

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