It's no assumption.

Posted by Shawnkara from spider-mtc-ti072.proxy.aol.com on June 20, 2001 at 16:50:58:

In Reply to: Pure fiction? Now that is one hell of an assumption. Who the hell are you to even make such a statement? Only a mortal who will whimper as death destroys that which you consider to be "the real you". (nm) posted by Fedora on June 20, 2001 at 09:11:11:

Try holding the Bilbe (old and new testament both) up to the standards of logic. And for that matter, history. The Bilbe will have you believe that the Romans' occupation of Jerusalem was a passive/agressive occupation. It was the Church who ordered the death of Christ and the iron fist of Pontias Pillate readily obliged? Show me one other instance in history, in FACT, when Roman occupation of anything was any where near passive. The cave in which the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, along with countless other relics, was the result of Jerusalem's people concealing their valuables as the Romans descended upon them. The New Testament is a colletion of four accounts; those of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. All were written from four points of view. All were written, as is any story that wishes to glorify a thing, with great embelishment. All were written fifteen to twenty years after the fact. And all were written DURING ROMAN OCCUPATION. Who would you blame? The tyrants reading over your shoulder as you wrote? I think not. The Bible is written (where faith is concerned) in Q&A format. Compare the Bilbe to the FAQ page of this very site. You'll see a frightening resemblence. Action? Consequece. Take the book of Job. Why is it included? No, not because it really happened. The writers were clever enough to realize that if someone were really subjected to such physical, psychological and spiritual torture a revolt wolud surely insue when 'GOD' failed to appear and save the man. So, he endures this horror, faith unshaken, save for demanding a reason from God as he lay dying. And, he is given back all that was taken from him ten-fold. Sounds kinda like how income tax works, doesn't it? Now, when horrible attrocities are committed and God fails to save us, we have a more 'logical' answer; "God works in mysterious ways." If the book of Job were true, well, then that makes matters even worse. Satan was ALLOWED to torture Job by GOD himself when Satan questioned mans' faith in God. It's an appalling display of cruelty and arrogance on the part of your 'God'.

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Interpretation perhaps? Fedora 17:46:47 6/20/2001 (6)
- Re: Interpretation perhaps? Shawnkara 20:35:03 6/20/2001 (4)
  - Re: Interpretation perhaps? Fedora 22:15:39 6/20/2001 (3)
    - "Gamora" or "Gormorrah"? Fall Guy 22:31:13 6/20/2001 (2)
      - I believe Fedora's spelling is the correct one. For every one thing I learn, I forget at least two. I think my brain is full. (nm) Shawnkara 01:36:31 6/21/2001 (1)
        
        He was close, very close. (nm) Fall Guy 14:30:24 6/21/2001 (0)
- I really ought to just stay the hell out of this, but-- Operator Jake 20:25:17 6/20/2001 (0)

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