and a little more stuff....

Posted by Michaelson from em12-686.utsi.edu on June 10, 1999 at 09:41:52:

In Reply to: Re: How powerful are Indy's guns?nm posted by FORRESTALL on June 09, 1999 at 23:56:51:

: ONLY THREE CALIBERS WERE USED IN THE TRILOGY. THE .455 WEBLEY CTG. WAS USEDIN L.C., AND ONE OF THE 4" BBL. "N" FRAME S&W'S IN RAIDERS.
: THE .45 ACP CTG. WAS USED IN THE OTHER S&W IN RAIDERS,AND THE 9MM PARABELLUM WAS USED IN THE P-35 BROWNING HI-POWER IN THE BAR FIGHT IN
: IN RAIDERS. WITHOUT GOING INTO MUCH TECHNICAL JARGON, ONE SHOT STOPS IN DEFENSIVE SITUATIONS, USING THE AMMUNITION OF THE PERIOD, ARE 60.81% FOR THE 9MM, 64.02% FOR THE .45 ACP, WITH THE .455 WEBLEY IN THE SAME BALLPARK AS THE .45 ACP. HOPE THIS HELPS, FORRESTALL

Well, the pistol in the bar was not a Browning High Power, but a Colt 1911 .45 ACP, and it was seen again in his possession on the freighter in close up. You forgot to mention the Colt New Service .45 that fell out of the window in Temple of Doom, that we can assume was also a .45 ACP with half or full moon clips for semi rimmed brass as that's what the lions share of them were. There were a few in .45 Colt, but with him carrying a 1911 .45 ACP, why carry two different caliber rounds ? We don't know that the Webley is indeed chambered for .455 Webley, as the revolvers available for US consumption were re-reamed for .45 ACP during and after WWI, .455 ammo wasn't that commonly found in the US in the 1930's, if at all, and more than likely Indy would have carried this version that would also accept the half moon clips for .45 ACP loading as were in the N frame Smith and the Colts, but all this is conjecture of course as we never see him reload the Webley. Your one shot stop info is interesting, but I'm assuming you're using info for average/standard over the counter type powder loads and not taking into account what bullet loading may be in the brass, as you know that will change the factor tremendously in terms of one shot stopping power, even using 1930's technology. If you want to read a really extensive (and exhausting) study of this, read the research by Dr. Carroll Peters of our Institute (University of Tennessee Space Institute, Tullahoma, TN). His report is quoted quite frequently in Guns and Ammo regarding stopping capabilities of rounds from the turn of the century to date. Granted, compared to today's available ammo, his rounds were pretty anemic, as the metalurgy of the guns were also not par with today's stuff, but the large calber weapons used were pretty potent defenses againest what ever was thrown at our hero. Regards. Michaelson

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Indy's auto pistol not a Colt .45 Browning 11:28:05 6/10/99 (6)
- Is to.....(insert tongue sticking out here (grins)) Michaelson 11:42:09 6/10/99 (5)
  - Took another look-see..... Michaelson 14:03:26 6/10/99 (0)
  - hmmm Browning 13:59:32 6/10/99 (3)
    - Re: hmmm Michaelson 14:05:55 6/10/99 (2)
      - Re: hmmm Forrestall 21:16:05 6/10/99 (1)
        
        Double hmmm...... Michaelson 08:22:30 6/11/99 (0)

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: : ONLY THREE CALIBERS WERE USED IN THE TRILOGY. THE .455 WEBLEY CTG. WAS USEDIN L.C., AND ONE OF THE 4" BBL. "N" FRAME S&W'S IN RAIDERS.
: : THE .45 ACP CTG. WAS USED IN THE OTHER S&W IN RAIDERS,AND THE 9MM PARABELLUM WAS USED IN THE P-35 BROWNING HI-POWER IN THE BAR FIGHT IN
: : IN RAIDERS. WITHOUT GOING INTO MUCH TECHNICAL JARGON, ONE SHOT STOPS IN DEFENSIVE SITUATIONS, USING THE AMMUNITION OF THE PERIOD, ARE 60.81% FOR THE 9MM, 64.02% FOR THE .45 ACP, WITH THE .455 WEBLEY IN THE SAME BALLPARK AS THE .45 ACP. HOPE THIS HELPS, FORRESTALL

: Well, the pistol in the bar was not a Browning High Power, but a Colt 1911 .45 ACP, and it was seen again in his possession on the freighter in close up. You forgot to mention the Colt New Service .45 that fell out of the window in Temple of Doom, that we can assume was also a .45 ACP with half or full moon clips for semi rimmed brass as that's what the lions share of them were. There were a few in .45 Colt, but with him carrying a 1911 .45 ACP, why carry two different caliber rounds ? We don't know that the Webley is indeed chambered for .455 Webley, as the revolvers available for US consumption were re-reamed for .45 ACP during and after WWI, .455 ammo wasn't that commonly found in the US in the 1930's, if at all, and more than likely Indy would have carried this version that would also accept the half moon clips for .45 ACP loading as were in the N frame Smith and the Colts, but all this is conjecture of course as we never see him reload the Webley. Your one shot stop info is interesting, but I'm assuming you're using info for average/standard over the counter type powder loads and not taking into account what bullet loading may be in the brass, as you know that will change the factor tremendously in terms of one shot stopping power, even using 1930's technology. If you want to read a really extensive (and exhausting) study of this, read the research by Dr. Carroll Peters of our Institute (University of Tennessee Space Institute, Tullahoma, TN). His report is quoted quite frequently in Guns and Ammo regarding stopping capabilities of rounds from the turn of the century to date. Granted, compared to today's available ammo, his rounds were pretty anemic, as the metalurgy of the guns were also not par with today's stuff, but the large calber weapons used were pretty potent defenses againest what ever was thrown at our hero. Regards. Michaelson

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