I thought the qualifier for grosgrain or petersham was the vertical ribs...

Posted by Dakota Ellison from spider-we074.proxy.aol.com on January 15, 2001 at 16:51:36:

In Reply to: Petersham ribbon-the answer! posted by Greg on January 15, 2001 at 11:37:41:

: Here is the scoop on Petersham ribbon. What we are seeing in Raiders
: was grosgrain ribbon, as it is seamed or has a bound edge. What we
: see in half of the LC is grosgrain as it had a bound edge. What we
: see on the Smithsonian hat is grosgrain as it has a bound edge. What
: we see on some of the LC and all of the ToD photos have an unbound
: edge (sawtooth) and is therefore referred to as Petersham ribbon or
: Millinery belting. It is indeed used as a facing material inside the
: hems and waists of women's skirts, and was often used in hat making
: because without the bound edge, the ribbon easily forms a nice curve
: to fit around the crown of a hat, which is invariably conical rather
: than cylindrical unless we're talking about a top hat or a pork pie.
: Grosgrain needs to be ironed into a slight curve in order to wrap
: around the hat and fit snug against the crown. If you just wrap it
: around the crown, it will be loose toward the top. I don't know if
: this makes sense. I will see if I can scan some of the different
: ribbon to show you all...I don't have a scanner so I will have to do
: it at work. I'll also try to scan some photos of Indy's hats to
: demonstrate the difference actually occured throughout ToD and LC.
: Take a look at ToD photos closely. All of the hats in that film had
: the Petersham ribbon. Take a look at the tank chase scenes from LC.
: That hat has the Petersham ribbon. Not sure why the differe

Which I don't see in the "Raiders" close-ups. It looks woven, bound, but without the vertical ribbing. Talk to Judith M designs; they are pretty up on petersham and grosgrain.
Cheers,
Dakota

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: : Here is the scoop on Petersham ribbon.  What we are seeing in Raiders 
: : was grosgrain ribbon, as it is seamed or has a bound edge.  What we 
: : see in half of the LC is grosgrain as it had a bound edge.  What we 
: : see on the Smithsonian hat is grosgrain as it has a bound edge.  What 
: : we see on some of the LC and all of the ToD photos have an unbound 
: : edge (sawtooth) and is therefore referred to as Petersham ribbon or 
: : Millinery belting.  It is indeed used as a facing material inside the 
: : hems and waists of women's skirts, and was often used in hat making 
: : because without the bound edge, the ribbon easily forms a nice curve 
: : to fit around the crown of a hat, which is invariably conical rather 
: : than cylindrical unless we're talking about a top hat or a pork pie.  
: : Grosgrain needs to be ironed into a slight curve in order to wrap 
: : around the hat and fit snug against the crown.  If you just wrap it 
: : around the crown, it will be loose toward the top.  I don't know if 
: : this makes sense.  I will see if I can scan some of the different 
: : ribbon to show you all...I don't have a scanner so I will have to do 
: : it at work.  I'll also try to scan some photos of Indy's hats to 
: : demonstrate the difference actually occured throughout ToD and LC.  
: : Take a look at ToD photos closely.  All of the hats in that film had 
: : the Petersham ribbon.  Take a look at the tank chase scenes from LC.  
: : That hat has the Petersham ribbon.  Not sure why the differe

: Which I don't see in the "Raiders" close-ups. It looks woven, bound, but without the vertical ribbing. Talk to Judith M designs; they are pretty up on petersham and grosgrain.
: Cheers,
: Dakota

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